Friday, March 25, 2011

On Evangelizing Jews.

There's some discussion recently over what the Pope thinks about evangelizing jews. I have only one short comment.

If someone's mother was a jew, but they themselves are at best a cultural or 'secular' jew who is at best agnostic about God's existence, are you really a jew by the pope's standards?

10 comments:

cl said...

Hey there. I didn't know you had your own corner over here... I stumbled upon your blog by accident while searching for something or other.

As for this post, it reminds me of those who feel it fair to call Hitler a Christian. It also reminds me of our conversation about whether it's fair to call Luke an atheist.

Crude said...

Well, one anecdote I've come across is that some in the jewish community think that a secular/atheist jew is is still a jew, but any jew who becomes a Christian is no longer a jew.

I know this gets into the whole 'culturally jewish' thing, but the Pope has to be speaking in terms of religion. Which makes me wonder, etc.

Ilíon said...

It seems to me that those "Jews" who most object to Christian evangelism are precisely the sort of "bagel Jews" of whom you ask (who *also* tend to hate Jewish outreach efforts).

Codgitator (Cadgertator) said...

I think Lee Silver is the kind of Jew the Pope wouldn't have any compunction about converting.

Ilíon said...

No Christian should have any compunction about converting any Jew.

Not that I'd exist had my family history been different, (but assuming I did exist) but, in this only life I have in which to commit or not, should I have to remain outside Christ just because some of my ancestors had been Jews? Or becaused some Christians are pussies about evangelization?

Crude said...

I wonder if there is a distinction here regarding converting jews individually, and converting jews as a people.

Codgitator (Cadgertator) said...

I was being a bit tongue in cheek, of course, and I think such apostolates as Association of Hebrew Catholics show the Church is still serious about reconciling Judaism with the messianic Advent. I admit I haven't read closely the linked post, but the issue does seem to be a combination of infelicitous personal musings and a biblical admission that a mass conversion of Jews is something only to be seen at the Parousia, as Crude suggests.

Codgitator (Cadgertator) said...

Woody Allen's another highly convertible Jew!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_poGsbBgpE

Ilíon said...

Is there a distinction between converting Americans as individuals and Americans as a people?

Crude said...

I think there can be, depending on what a person is saying. Just as there's a difference between evangelizing all people, period, and "evangelizing ugandans". The difference between being willing to evangelize to any person regardless of race or religion, and particularly targeting this or that community.