Wednesday, May 4, 2011

More Atheist Sightings

Paraphrased: "How come Christians never let me argue against THEIR God? Instead they always want to talk about why there's something rather than nothing, or first causes or things like that! I don't want to talk about those gods, I want to talk about theirs!"

Except an atheist isn't supposed to deny only that specific God over there, but God and gods, period. And understanding those fundamental attributes of God is, and has historically been treated as, key for understanding the specifically Christian God. Imagine trying to justify the existence of whales to a man who denies the existence of all aquatic life. You try to explain the plausibility of how a creature could move and live underwater, and he just gets angry: No, he wants to talk about WHALES. All this talk about fins and algae and so on, he doesn't want to hear about it.

Whales are so improbable and ridiculous-sounding after all - why, how would they move and what would they eat?


Ilíon said...

So-called atheist don't argue against God; they argue against Zeus abd pretend they've argued against God.

Crude said...

The problem being that even "Zeus" is easier to argue for than atheism.

Still though, it harkens back to that strange move you now and then see. Where an atheist will grant that believing in a first cause, even a creator God, is reasonable - but then play the line of "But what makes you think it's YOUR God?" As if that's supposed to be devastating, as if the theist doesn't have further arguments for that.

But more than that, really, once you cop to the reasonableness of that claim, the atheist is pretty much done anyway. It reminds me of a conversation I had with an atheist, where their line was "Fine, maybe it's reasonable that God made the universe. But what if someone made God? And then who made whoever made God? And..."

All I could say was, man, I don't care if there's an infinite succession of gods. The existence of a single one is enough to skunk your atheism.

Ilíon said...

That's why they are so keen to avoid discussing and/or understanding First Principles, for, right there, atheism never gets off the ground.