Sunday, October 9, 2011

The Cult of Gnu and the War on Metaphysics

I'm lately realizing that quite a number of people who maintain a hatred for metaphysics and who claim to reject metaphysical reasoning don't seem to realize that materialism and naturalism are metaphysical views.

10 comments:

The Deuce said...

I find that people who claim to hate metaphysics and to reject metaphysical reasoning are actually half right.

That is to say, they're wrong about hating metaphysics, as 99.9% of the time they have a deep metaphysical commitment to materialism. But they are correct inasmuch as those who claim to reject metaphysical reasoning almost never exercise reason in developing their metaphysical beliefs.

Crude said...

Well, that's the kicker, yeah. They hate metaphysics and philosophy, they don't even seem to realize that what they're going on and on about IS metaphysics and philosophy, and their reasoning about what they do believe is crappy anyway.

I never get tired of watching the reactions when, say... I point out that something having evolved doesn't mean it wasn't designed. Evolution is just another design process in principle. I swear, upwards of half of the Cult of Gnu I tell this to just melt on the spot.

Ilíon said...

It's not just that they fail to understand that they, too, are engaged in metaphysics -- and crappy metaphysics, at that -- but that they actively decline to understand, no matter how carefully and patiently the matter is put before them.

Crude said...

Of course they don't understand. They hate metaphysics and aren't interested in it! ;)

Codgitator (Cadgertator) said...

Here's a guy you've got to get a load of!

http://www.ericsteinhart.com/FLESH/flesh-overview.html

Crude said...

I maintain something I said years ago.

I always notice that the guys with crazy theories almost always have pages that look like a colorblind person made them.

I admire the sheer balls this guy has for calling his view atheistic. He's talking about something Bostrom lightly touched on, the idea of an infinite number of nested simulated universes. That's not atheism - that's polytheism with more gods and goddesses than ever before.

It is, however, what will replace atheism in the coming years.

islandcharlie said...

I just stumbled into this conversation, but I'd like to say that while I don't hate metaphysics, I'm still trying to make sense out what seems an oxymoron to me, that is, the term metaphysical reasoning.

Crude said...

So long as you're not excluding any metaphysical views - for instance, materialism and naturalism - from that sort of view, I'd have no comment.

Ilíon said...

Crude: "I admire the sheer balls this guy has for calling his view atheistic. He's talking about something Bostrom lightly touched on, the idea of an infinite number of nested simulated universes. That's not atheism - that's polytheism with more gods and goddesses than ever before.

It is, however, what will replace atheism in the coming years.
"

As I point out from time to time, atheism and (most) pagamisms actually cluster together metaphysically, and in metaphysical contrast to Judeo-Christianity.

Crude said...

As I point out from time to time, atheism and (most) pagamisms actually cluster together metaphysically, and in metaphysical contrast to Judeo-Christianity.

Put like that, I could agree with the statement.