Wednesday, July 31, 2013

No, you'd sell out in a heartbeat

Tutu, who retired as Archbishop of Cape Town in 1996, has long campaigned for gay rights.  
'I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place,' he said. 'I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.'
This is the sort of pointless posturing I hear now and then, typically from atheists, and each and every time it just strikes me as not only tremendously stupid, but a goddamn obvious untruth besides.

Take a long, hard look at what Tutu here is saying: if heaven were a place where anal sex was unwelcome - if, at the end of the day, it really was a sin to engage in sodomy - Tutu would choose hell. You know, alternately 'utter oblivion' or 'everlasting damnation' or the like. This is where Tutu would draw the line: either ass-fucking is allowed past the pearly gates, or Tutu requests hell, thank you. Tutu never seems to stop and wonder if 'homophobia' may well be active in 'the other place' too... but that's besides the point.

The point is... who is this fucker kidding?

No, Desmond Tutu is not going to defy God to His face and explicitly ask to be sent to hell out of moral outrage that heaven doesn't allow gay marriage. Desmond Tutu, in all likelihood, is going to fall prostrate in fear and - after he's soiled himself - beg and plead for forgiveness for his past transgressions. At least if hell is anything akin to 'obviously tremendously unpleasant and eternal at that'.

But let's say it's not. Maybe hell really is, a la CS Lewis, a place where the doors are locked from the inside, not out. Possible, I believe. But even still, imagine what Tutu would be saying. He's dead. He's in the afterlife. God's existence is quite certain. And he's damn certain he's not about to second-guess himself over this topic? He's got Cartesian certainty that anal sex is holy and pure and not even the apparent express disagreement of God Himself will give him pause?

Bullshit. People should be laughed at when they say what Tutu said, or at the very least be regarded as obvious nitwits or fools. Say you'd resist an earthly power. Say you'd resist whatever cultural or social or political forces. But anyone who says, or even strongly implies, that they'd stand up in rebellion against the omnipotent, omniscient ground of all being over, frankly, one of the pettiest of sociopolitical causes that there ever was, really deserves to be taken down a peg then and there.

In fact, they deserve to be reminded that in the case of an omniscient, omnipotent God - or really, even a mere sufficiently powerful one - if He decides to make them become Lord High King of the Homophobes (or Homophiles, for that matter), that's what they'll become upon the instant. Atheists, meanwhile, need to be reminded they're an inconvenient series of natural causes away from the exact same thing.


Blue Devil Knight said...

I think he is using a restricted sense of 'homophobic' which is contrary to loving everyone (like the Pope said recently, 'God loves everyone, even the gays'). That is, not loving gays (simply because of their sexual orientation) is inconsistent with his view of heaven.

This isn't controversial is it? You could be a non-practicing gay, and go to heaven, and God will love you etc..

Or have I missed something that would kill my exegesis?

Crude said...

I think he is using a restricted sense of 'homophobic' which is contrary to loving everyone (like the Pope said recently, 'God loves everyone, even the gays'). That is, not loving gays (simply because of their sexual orientation) is inconsistent with his view of heaven.

I think this is a bending-over-backwards-to-justify remark that doesn't square with a straightforward reading of Tutu, or of Tutu in context.

If Tutu is saying he believes same-sex sexual behavior is wrong or immoral, and that he opposes gay marriage, but he simply opposes discrimination against even celibate, non-practicing (weird term for this) gays, he's done a fantastic job of hiding this.

BenYachov said...

If you read the Lives of the Desert Fathers carefully you can see often they had to deal with Monks caught practicing homosexual acts.

They used euphemisms like "two brothers where caught sinning" but the end of the tale would always involve either a declaration that you shouldn't judge others or a plea for forgiveness toward the other offenders.

Thus Pope Francis isn't really being original with his plea for charity toward gays.

But I am forced to agree with Crude(sorry BDK). "Homophobia" here is code & or a euphemism for "Not 100% endorsing the morality of gay sex acts".

Tutu's statement comes off as one of spiritual rebellion. Better he had a 1000 dudes as his lovers & repented it then to be chaste & speak such profane nonsense.

Crude said...

Yeah, I have no problem with Francis' statements. I endorse them, in fact.

BenYachov said...

Moral of the Story.

Chaste and Celebate people can go to Hell. Their damnation would just be for sins other than those of the flesh.

Mind you at the end of the day I don't know where Bishop Tutu will end up but I can definatly conclude what he has said here is objectively evil & no faithful Christian should heed it.

Better to listen to Pope Francis.