Friday, January 3, 2014

The state of the culture

I'm a fan of New Advent. Kind of a wannabe Drudge Report for Catholicism. Today, I saw this title for one of their links:
Why are so many modern men such shiftless underachievers? It's simple. When the family declines, men decline...
I mention this only because, I can't remember anyone ever using that kind of broad talk with regards to women. 'Why are so many women so clueless as to get knocked up before they're married?' or the like. And there it is, on a Catholic news aggregator, one with seemingly traditionalist/conservative leanings. Maybe I missed the women thing in the past, but so far, I have yet to see it.

Behold, the state of the culture.


Saints and Sceptics said...

Hi Crude

We noticed your suggestion to Edward Feser re: Coyne/Douthat and decided to follow that with a few posts of our own. We think you're correct. Coyne needs to challenged more often. Our first post is up:
Saints and Sceptics

Crude said...

Hey saints.

Glad to see it, I'll check it out soon. I think the Coynes of the world not only need to be challenged more often, but more forcefully. My biggest problem with Douthat is that he does the typical Christian move of tripping all over himself to be humble, even when he shouldn't be.

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The Fez said...

I have often had difficulty, myself, with the need to often be aggressive with atheists relative to the Christian call to meekness; namely, the need to be both patient and understanding in instruction. The primary difficulty in even engaging with atheists is that many of them consider you to be intellectually effete even before the discussion begins, and they have, generally speaking, nothing but contempt for you and your beliefs.

How do you engage with someone for whom their is no overlap in consensus? Is it even worth the bother? Or, is the only outcome worth considering the kind of impact you can have on those observing the discussion / debate?

Personally, I feel that engaging with atheists is less about convincing atheists and more about aggressing on those whose minds may still be inclined toward theism. To that end, does 'meekness' still serve a purpose? Not the self-serving, affectatious humility you may be describing, but a supreme humility born of Christ.

Crude said...


There is no Christian call to meekness in the face of vile, intentional slander and intellectual bullying.

Keep in mind, the issue here isn't just 'atheists'. It's New Atheists. An atheist, in principle, can be someone who is respectful, considerate, who does not see Christians as 'the enemy' or 'the infected'. The Cult of Gnu is a different story.

I also agree that the point isn't necessarily convincing the Cult of Gnu members, but others. But honestly, I think the tendency to give too much respect to ridiculous atheist claims, and to not react with justified contempt at various inane accusations, largely harms as well.