Tuesday, April 15, 2014

Hints of a Western Future?

Iran mulling banning vasectomies, tightening abortion laws to counter flagging demographic numbers.

Granted, it's taking place in a muslim theocracy. But for a while I've wondered if we could eventually see these sorts of measures turning up in Western countries. Would it not be downright amusing if, after years and years of justifying China's two-child policy on the grounds that 'they have too many children there', we saw secular states banning birth control, abortion and more, on the grounds that they don't have nearly enough children?

After all, in both cases it's protecting the state's interests.

7 comments:

Drew said...

A one-child policy is never in the state's interest. The only reason communists think it is in their interest is because their depraved economic system cannot function, yet it promises to provide for everyone. So they make the term "everyone" a little smaller until it is manageable.

lotharlorraine said...


Given the current political Zeitgeist, I strongly doubt this will occur. And I don't think it would be healthy at all to forbid abortion, for this would only increase the pain of the women without reducing the number of killed babies.

I think that Rachel Held Evans has a reasonable position about what has infamously been called "pregnancy cessation".
Abortion and the pride of the Western world.

I just read a Luxembourgish liberal magazine celebrating looser restrictions on abortions in this small Germanic country. One picture depicted a young woman about to abort striking her belly.

I felt an utter disgust while looking at it. For all people valuing human life, a baby in his mother's womb is something truly wonderful, a being worthy of our affection and unconditional love. Presenting its destruction as something quite normal and harmless is really offensive.

Europe could very well become more Islamic due to the lower birth rate of Westerners.


Crude said...

Given the current political Zeitgeist, I strongly doubt this will occur.

Why? Keep in mind what I'm talking about here isn't about the *current* political zeitgest, but a future one. When a society gets desperate, when their economy goes south, ideas that once seemed barbaric suddenly seem common-sense.

I felt an utter disgust while looking at it. For all people valuing human life, a baby in his mother's womb is something truly wonderful, a being worthy of our affection and unconditional love. Presenting its destruction as something quite normal and harmless is really offensive.

The problem is that if what you say is true, then at least in some cases women are monsters for getting abortions. And I more and more think the one hallmark of modern 'feminism' is complete war on the idea that a woman can ever make a wrong choice with her body, or be culpable for the state she finds herself in.

Crude said...

Let me add...

I think one thing that separates the West is how good we are at passing laws to accomplish goal A, while in reality we're pursuing goal C.

If abortion is restricted in order to promote more births, it's likely going to be under the banner of protecting women from disproportionate amounts of female abortions, unsafe abortion procedures, and more. If contraception is restricted for the same reason, we'll say it's to get ineffective, error-prone contraception off the market in favor of reliable means - which we will, at the same time, price out of reach of most people.

Thomas said...

Iran has a very interesting history of family planning with according to Wikipedia existing prior to the revolution but not being accepted by the people but post Islamic revolution the government turned tail stating that Islam "favored" families with two kids. The theocratic elements you mentioned combined with propaganda led to one of the smallest population drops ever.

In many ways was strictly Islamic of a nation, Iran still will bend the rules of their faith to get what they want. Iran is a very interesting case as the Supreme Religious Leader allowed sex changes as long as the sex changer would fulfill the social obligations of the sex they were "changing" into.

The Deuce said...

I felt an utter disgust while looking at it. For all people valuing human life, a baby in his mother's womb is something truly wonderful, a being worthy of our affection and unconditional love. Presenting its destruction as something quite normal and harmless is really offensive.

Why you slut-shaming misogynist tool of The Patriarchy!

lotharlorraine said...

The Deuce: it is both amusing and consternating that owing to my positions (being for gay marriage and against abortion) I get harshly criticized by both liberals and conservatives.

A young woman was once sorely angry on me because I said it is wrong to abort a baby just for upholding one's psychological comfort.

She viewed me then as a "Christian Taliban", which is quite amusing for those knowing my theology.