Saturday, May 10, 2014

Betrayal by business

I wonder how many betrayals social conservatives need on the part of the business community before they realize that they are, in fact, being betrayed.

I mean, they do realize it, right? That the push for an 'immigration overhaul' - in fact, the reluctance to enforce immigration laws in the past and present - wasn't just 'the democrats' or 'minority groups' at work, but also the 'business community' that is so idealized?

Do they realize that the so-called LGBT movement - among others - is endorsed and enshrined by businesses, in part because they're one more group that can be appealed to with marketing?

Do they realize that the socialism they despise is in part embraced by businesses that are capable of profiting from it - as many are?

These questions are partly sarcastic, but they're also serious. Really, it's clear that the 'business community' is responsible, in whole or part, for a good number of problems that plague conservatives. Why does it seem to go unmentioned? If someone has an answer, please, fill me in.


Jakeithus said...

I think Conservativism has run into this problem because it has lost sight of what it really should be about. In it's quest to be anti-government (or at least anti-big-government), it has defined itself by what it is against rather than what it is for. Big business, as the powerful institution it is, has filled the gap left by government, and because it's not government, conservatives have been content to let it pass without criticism.

The structures conservativism should be working to protect are family, religion, local community. Big government is one threat to these things, big business is another. It may seem counter intuitive to conservatives, but government can be a useful ally in protecting the institutions conservatives should be trying to conserve against business.

Crude said...


Hey there. I agree in part - I think conservatives too often turn a blind eye to the damage that businesses cause, and their complicity in acts the state engages in. At the same time, politically conservatives need some alliances. I could understand if someone were to make the pragmatic argument that said conservatives need to ally with businesses, even if there are some tradeoffs.

But my suspicion is that in many ways, this transaction is thoroughly one-way - and that business communities actively seek to undermine conservatives on a variety of fronts.

Jakeithus said...


You're right about the practical needs for an alliance between conservatives (even social conservatives) and business. The state, with the ability to achieve its will through the use of force, is far more totalitarian and harmful than private enterprise. Businesses are avoidable in a way the state is not, and the private sector is a natural ally against government overreach.

You're probably right about the relationship being primarily one-way however. Conservatives have thrown their support behind business so thoroughly that there is no reason for business to reciprocate in its affection, it can count on the support of conservatives no matter what. What remains to be seen is whether conservatives can convince business to take notice of their concerns on their own, or whether it will take an alliance with government against business to achieve this remains to be seen (although changing conservatives mind on the place of government will be no easy task).

Crude said...

I should also mention - I'm not so sure the problem is exclusively 'big business'. Plenty of small businesses make use of (illegal) immigrant labor.

I agree that businesses are the lesser of two evils. But - and I doubt I need to tell you this - the lesser of two evils is not 'good'. It's just lesser.

Acatus Bensley said...

How do businesses benefit from socialism? Seriously. I don't know what you mean. I'm assuming you put capable of profiting because being a cheerleader for socialism can get its proponents to do business with you. But ultimately socialism just takes money from people in order to distribute it to other people for no reason. Being taxed to hell doesn't help businesses. Being policed by the government doesn't help businesses.

Crude said...


Because socialism isn't just taxing people to hell, but taxing specific people.

Think of it this way. That Obamacare website that had millions poured into it? Those millions didn't go to hire government employees. That went to a business that was hired to do work for the government.

Acatus Bensley said...

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