Thursday, October 16, 2014

The Reliable Traditionalists

One worry I have when it comes to things like this synod is that there is this attitude among the liberal elite: that the traditionalists and orthodox can be counted on, at the end of the day, to meekly do whatever they're told. The progressives, they can - and in large part, already have - leave the church if they object to things. But conservatives and orthodox and traditionalists? They're a captive audience, and if the church elite decides to treat them like dirt and pamper defiant progressives, they'll just have to grin and bear it.

The conservatives, the traditionalists - they're supposed to be simple-minded rubes, afraid of upsetting the Holy Father with any sign of disagreement.

Which is why it's encouraging to see the conservatives stand up and show they can engage in a bit of revolt as well.

Would it not be the height of divine humor to see these synods called for the purpose of weakening and liberalizing church teaching, only for the actual result to be not only a re-affirmation of traditional moral teaching, but now armed with a superior - and appropriately merciful - means of communication?

Call it an outside possibility at best, at least insofar as anything is a possibility where God is concerned. But the prospect of progressive clergy subverted into the task of reaffirming the traditionalist mission? It's a nice thought, and I can afford myself a moment's optimism here and there.

7 comments:

The Deuce said...

Btw, you know how before I aid that Kasper was a crapcicle? I'm not sure I adequately expressed just how much of a crapcicle he is. I mean, he's really, REALLY a crapcicle: http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2014/10/cardinal-is-appalled-denies-africa-comments-caught-on-tape

The Deuce said...

The conservatives, the traditionalists - they're supposed to be simple-minded rubes, afraid of upsetting the Holy Father with any sign of disagreement.

Speaking of which, as a conservative Protestant, I just have to say how ridiculous it looks when I see liberal Catholics accuse more orthodox Catholics of being Protestants for speaking against attempts to be more like Episcopalians.

Crude said...

No need to convince me. Kasper's rotten, and obviously so. I admit I enjoy watching the forward-thinking, so-progressive sorts reveal that when they drop their guard, you find thoughts and words that would get them railed as racist during any other time.

And now, apparently, we can add 'known liar' to the mix.

The Deuce said...

Btw, I think that by making himself and by extension his position completely toxic, Kasper has greatly increased the odds of the synod backfiring on the Progressives.

Crude said...

Yeah, Kasper was trying to present himself as the tender-hearted merciful sort, but now he's looking like a sham. Why he decided to lie about this is a mystery. Did he not know he was being recorded in that interview?

The Deuce said...

You know, I just have to ask, given the Mark Shea take on the report and its opponents, what are we to make of the majority of bishops at the synod standing up to protest what's been coming out of the synod, and the report in particular?

I mean, are they a bunch of disloyal fringe lunatics who are only opposing an obviously sound and orthodox document because they hate the idea of mercy for homosexuals, don't want sinners in their church, probably believe in geocentrism, hate the Pope, don't think the Church already has a Savior, and most of all don't trust the Holy Spirit to guide the Church at the synod?

Oh, but wait, they're part of the synod too, so if having a serious problem with the report means you Don't Trust The Holy Spirit, then having a serious problem with the majority of the bishops standing up to show they have a problem with it must also mean that you Don't Trust The Holy Spirit to guide the Church at the synod.

Ah what a tangled web you knit, when you're a demagoguing little...

Crude said...

Apparently Kasper has now admitted he did say what he said, but it's not fair because he thought he was speaking off the record, so it all doesn't count? I guess Sterling can keep his basketball team.

I get the feeling Shea is starting to change his tune a bit, given the reaction of other cardinals. In fact, I suspect - hesitantly, but still - that there's a lot of tune-changing and re-evaluating going on in general. Possibly by the Pope as well.