Tuesday, August 11, 2015

Game and Catholicism

What I wouldn't give to see Ed Feser talk about the infamous Return of Kings site explicitly endorsing and talking up the traditional Catholic view of sex. Seriously, the storm this would create - at least among some of the regulars - would be a sight to behold.

5 comments:

The Fez said...

Commentators in the manosphere have been (unwittingly or not) lamenting the loss of traditional sexual mores for some time. I am sometimes suspicious of the invocation, however, as it seems a thinly veiled justification for why they should now pursue women with unconstrained zest. Indeed, most of them still argue that only those men who adopt Game principles will still be successful with women, which, for people who are trying to sell a product, is a persuasive marketing shtick. Were they presented with the option of actually returning to more conservative age of sexual relations, many of them would find it to be a lugubrious prospect.

In any case, "Game Principles" have always seemed to me like formulaic distillations of conventional wisdom (Christian or Traditional) ordered toward improving success with an increasingly combative opposite sex. In that sense, I approve of their general emphasis in insisting upon men being masculine, but cannot find their straightforwardly manipulative sex strategies to be morally tenable.

Crude said...

I would never hold them up as moral role models. But the fact that there's a capability to properly distill and present Catholic sexual moral teaching is damn surprising.

darrenl said...

It is interesting. Kind of like what the Church did to form the Knight class back in the day, i.e. ok, let's start small: no killing on Sundays ;P.

Could it be that the Church's influence is starting to effect the barbarian hordes already?

malcolmthecynic said...

Good stuff sneaks through, but remember, this is the same website that had an entire article written on how to convince a woman to get an abortion.

And he's not talking it up, per se. He's not saying to follow it now. He's saying Pope Paul VI called it, too late now, that's why there are pick-up artists.

Vox's defenses of Roosh and RoK have never impressed me. Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my enemy. See: the dwarfs in "The Last Battle".

Roosh is considering converting, but right now, he's not helping to lead people to Christ. At best he's helping them figure out how to sin better.

RoK might "help" some men, under some definitions of the word help. But I'm not buying it.

What would Dr. Feser discuss, anyway? "Yeah, the Pope was right. Glad somebody noticed."

Crude said...

Good stuff sneaks through, but remember, this is the same website that had an entire article written on how to convince a woman to get an abortion.

I'm only dimly familiar with it, and mostly know the 'game' stuff. I agree, that's rotten.

And he's not talking it up, per se. He's not saying to follow it now. He's saying Pope Paul VI called it, too late now, that's why there are pick-up artists.

In part, but let me make this clear: the number of people who can get within the ballpark of properly explaining the Catholic view on sex, and indeed the cultural impact of contraception, 'gay rights', etc is small. Even most Catholics can't swing it beyond 'Being gay is bad because god said so, and sex is for children so you should only have sex if it makes children'.

So when someone pulls it off from a surprising territory, I notice. It's not like Roosh needs this defense to justify what he does.

What would Dr. Feser discuss, anyway? "Yeah, the Pope was right. Glad somebody noticed."

Considering Feser rightly spends so much time lamenting how people can't even get these basics right, I think he'd at least be impressed that someone managed to get it right, even while having criticisms.

Probably not worth it except for the fireworks.