Tuesday, May 17, 2016

Trump Supporters vs the World

What I find oddest all about the support for Trump is the following.

People who support Trump generally dislike the other candidates, sometimes intensely. But the only people who they really dislike are Sanders supporters - and I'm pretty sure the fact that said supporters have been outright infiltrating Trump's rallies, blockading roads and generally being nasty shits has a lot to do with that.

But people who oppose Trump intensely dislike Trump... and absolutely loathe Trump supporters.

What's really odd about this is seeing various people who vehemently dislike Trump supporters - Christians particularly - who nevertheless have historically been willing to sit down and talk it out with New Atheists. And I don't mean 'average irreligious guy' but gutter-dwelling mediocrities like Cowboy Hat and company.

It is a mystery.

8 comments:

B. Prokop said...

"But people who oppose Trump intensely dislike Trump... and absolutely loathe Trump supporters."

Not in my case. I personally believe Trump to be a Bad Man - an American Putin. But I have no problem whatsoever with Trump supporters. I am good friends with several, and their political leanings bother me not in the slightest. In general, I find one's politics to be the least important or interesting aspect of a person, and I would never dream of basing a friendship on such.*

Of the ten people I most socialize with, 2 are Sanders supporters, 2 back Hillary Clinton, 4 are all for Trump, and the last 2 I have no idea who they prefer.

* Far higher on my "importance" index would be a person's attitude toward astronomy, classic cinema, and the Orioles.

Crude said...

Considering Putin is one of the only world leaders actually moving to protect Christians in middle eastern conflicts, I'd say calling him a 'Bad Man' - full stop - is insane.

But if there's one thing I've learned during this crisis, its that some Christians actually use their giddiness at seeing Christians die or be tortured as some kind of point of pride.

malcolmthecynic said...

Well, look at the latest exchange at my blog - I say "I use people who rant and rave like loons about Trump as a litmus test for political sanity" and in response I get "Whether or not you support Trump is a litmus test for whether or not you're a useful idiot" (followed by a protest that he only meant it to apply to people who "should know better", which doesn't even make sense).

Note the difference.

Crude said...

Oh, I saw. There's a lot of real freaking bitter anti-Trumpers around, even among the right.

Legion of Logic said...

Your title was correct. Among Trump supporters, there is a tendency to trash anyone not named Donald Trump.

Let's face it, in the imperfect world of United States government, it should pretty much be impossible to find a single person that you agree with 100 percent. Trump supporters often will not only tolerate zero criticism of their chosen one, but they viciously attack Ted Cruz, one of the few people fighting for conservatism on a regular basis in Washington. They attacked Rand Paul, also one of the few. They have turned this into a case of Trump being the ONLY candidate who isn't The Problem, which of course is utter bullshit.

The comparison with New Atheists was useful up to the point you realize that New Atheism was a flash in the pan and they have no real power. Trump supporters are everywhere, and they have the numbers to be disturbing when combined with what is often an apparent fanatical level of support.

Else why is Lyin Ted a thing, but when you point out Trump is a proven liar, you get attacked as a "cuckservative" and "pro establishment" or even a Hillary supporter? I've had all three.

Crude said...

Trump supporters often will not only tolerate zero criticism of their chosen one, but they viciously attack Ted Cruz, one of the few people fighting for conservatism on a regular basis in Washington.

Fighting for conservatism meaning what? TPP support, up until the very moment where it no longer needs his votes to get past the voting hurdle? Hugging the line on illegal immigration until he's sure he knows which way the wind is blowing right now? How about deciding to start echoing media narratives like 'Trump and Trump supporters are afraid of strong women' and 'Trump's rhetoric is why people are being physically violent with Trump'?

I liked Ted Cruz a lot. I saw him as a defiant guy willing to make enemies among the GOP establishment. But eventually, enough bullshit pops up that the whole thing starts to smell bad.

The sliminess with the contested convention and hiring on Team Bush didn't really help. Saying 'but technically everyone he did was legal going by the party rules!' doesn't help matters.

They attacked Rand Paul, also one of the few.

Rand Paul is, unfortunately, pro-amnesty, pro-Sharpton, and ultimately pro-Millenial-Issues. He thinks that's the key to outreach.

Else why is Lyin Ted a thing, but when you point out Trump is a proven liar, you get attacked as a "cuckservative" and "pro establishment" or even a Hillary supporter? I've had all three.

If you go looking for a fight with Trump supporters, yes, they will fight back. As for being a cuckservative, pro-establishment or a Hillary supporter, you may want to consider that the loudest anti-Trump people right now tend to A) be supporting Hillary, B) openly support 'the establishment', and C) tend to do so on the grounds that 'Trump is against common sense ideas like amnesty!', which... yeah, is quite the cuckservative habit.

But more importantly - why don't I see this kind of attitude displayed against Hillary supporters, even Bernie supporters? Why are those an important demographic who we have to win over (see Rand Paul's behavior) and therefore offending them is terrible, but with Trump's supporters, oh hell all bets are off?

Have you stopped to ask what Trump has done to gain so much support?

Vox Maximus said...

What's really odd about this is seeing various people who vehemently dislike Trump supporters - Christians particularly - who nevertheless have historically been willing to sit down and talk it out with New Atheists. And I don't mean 'average irreligious guy' but gutter-dwelling mediocrities like Cowboy Hat and company.

It is a mystery.


The right's version of virtue-signalling, maybe? A signal to others that they are "respectable" dialogue-ready conservatives, not like those rabid and racist Trump supporters?

Or perhaps its just envy and quiet rage. Whereas atheists were the opposing team, and so it was fine to talk with them because they did not threaten your power / supporter base, Trump and his supporters are essentially on your side, but they are not only taking your supporters from you, they are also exposing how ineffective you have been over the last few years, and that must be maddening for various conservative "thought-leaders".

Maximus
www.voxmaximus.blogspot.com

Crude said...

The right's version of virtue-signalling, maybe? A signal to others that they are "respectable" dialogue-ready conservatives, not like those rabid and racist Trump supporters?

I wonder about that. It doesn't seem right, especially for Cruz supporters. It's definitely right for some people, but 'in the main'?

In a way it seems like it should be straightforward: attack a candidate, and his supporters attack you. I can see that. And Trump's supporter's happily signed on with 'Lyin Cruz' in large part. But I do not see Cruz supporters regarded this was by default by Trump supporters. I didn't see it back when the campaign was more heated either. They'd mock Bernie supporters, sure - hey look it's AIDS Skrillex, or Carl the Cuck, etc. But Cruz's supporters, the average people on the street? Not so much.

Weird.