Sunday, June 26, 2016

Francis versus Benedict

With a thank you to Ben Yachov for pointing out this contradiction:

Ratzinger: Avoid criticizing the Church in mass media.

Francis: Announces in mass media that the Church owes an apology to LGBT people for 'offending them'.

Granted, Ben's original thought was that this blog counted as 'mass media' and he didn't think this through. I can't help but notice that the chiding to not criticize the Church in the mass media seems to have become utterly irrelevant once the realization of Francis' act has sunk in.

Now we'll here that that was something Ratzinger said before he was pope, and also it's his personal opinion not binding advice, and so on and so on.

2 comments:

Son of Ya'Kov said...


Don't mention me on your blog anymore please. It is hard to resist the temptation to respond if you do.

You are criticizing the Church in public while denouncing the Pope for allegedly criticizing the Church in Public?

By your asinine reasoning that is like rationalizing fornicating with your 15 year old girlfriend is allowed on the grounds that Pope Sergius III is doing it too. OTOH A Pastor instructing the faithful is obviously not included with this nor was Pope Adrian II having it off with his lawful wife the same as Sergius and his girlfriend.

Geez Crude you sound like Paps or Skepo citing the commandment against "killing" then pointing to the various death penalties in the OT and crowing "Why does not god follow his own commands?".

Your arguments have devolved to the level of Gnus and fundies. Only more stupid.

Crude said...

Don't mention me on your blog anymore please.

Do not supply grist for my mill.

You are criticizing the Church in public while denouncing the Pope for allegedly criticizing the Church in Public?

No, I'm pointing out the contradiction in your claim of 'You shouldn't criticize the Church.' This blog isn't mass media, which is what Ratzinger criticized. Francis' recent schtick -is- mass media. You're the one who has to walk it back, not me.

By your asinine reasoning that is like rationalizing fornicating with your 15 year old girlfriend is allowed on the grounds that Pope Sergius III is doing it too.

No, by my reasoning, if you tell me that criticizing the church in public is wrong, then Francis is guilty of a wrong. If you decide to fall back to 'It's wrong for you to do it, but it's alright for the Pope', then Marx is guilty of a wrong, and the Pope defended him. If you further fall back to 'Well if the Pope ends up saying you were right then it's okay', then fine - I've got time. I suspect a future Pope will agree with me. And apologize for Francis' acts, no less.

Geez Crude you sound like Paps or Skepo

Oh boy, this same line, for the tenth time. I'm sure it will be effective now.

Ben, you're a one trick pony at this point. You can't argue, so you namecall. You're the one who trotted out that article - it isn't my fault that you didn't think it through.

Your arguments have devolved to the level of

You're not someone who can reliably evaluate arguments or rhetoric. If you could, you wouldn't make the arguments you do.

But more than that - even you don't subscribe to the Pope's thinking. Here you are, attacking, insulting, belittling, raging. None of which this Pope urges. Where is your humility? Where is your self-effacing? Apologize, ask for my forgiveness

You won't, because you believe it's wrong to do such things without reason, whatever the Pope says, or that the Pope's claimed reasons are wrong. What a surprise: we're in agreement on that. The difference is I accept my defiance of the Pope's (non-binding, might I add) advice, and I make it no secret. I uphold the teachings of the Church. I do not question the Pope's legitimacy. And I give credit where it's due.

You completely discard his exhortations, while defending them in name. What, you think the Pope's advice doesn't hold on you so long as you're acting in his name?

Now come - discard the Pope's demands that you be humble, silent, self-effacing and ashamed once more. Hope and pray that the Pope which follows Francis doesn't decide that the biggest scandal was the moral cowardice of a left-appeasing clergy.