Friday, July 15, 2016

Meanwhile in Turkey

I have the feeling a bunch of officers are about to learn the meaning of the phrase, "When you try to shoot the king, don't miss."

Also, credit where it's due. Muslims are many things, but cowards? We should be so lucky. Civilians climbing on top of a tank that's driving over cars, intending to pull the commander out and beat the shit out of him... that's impressive.


B. Prokop said...

Damn! I was rooting for the coup. Erdo─čan is a tyrant and an Islamist - bad news for Turkey, and bad news for everyone else.

I spent some time over in Turkey in the mid-90s, working with their Air Force. Got to know the Turkish military quite well. Good guys.

Crude said...

He's a tyrant and an islamist, but apparently that combo goes over well with the natives. He told the people to defy the curfew, go outside and resist. Looks like they did exactly that.

B. Prokop said...

I have to caveat my previous comment. I was working with the officer corps. They were Western oriented, highly educated, and quite sophisticated in their outlook on things. But from what I observed, the enlisted men were treated like dirt, bullied by their NCOs, and had no desire to be in the military in the first place (Turkey has universal conscription).

And like all bullied people, they passed along their mistreatment to the next person down the totem pole - meaning civilians. So it's quite likely the general populace have no love for the military.

But the failure of this coup is a disaster for Turkey. I guarantee you that the hundreds of officers being executed as we speak are the best and brightest that country has to offer.

Crude said...

I wonder if part of it is that the military is all secularist, and the people are... simply not.

B. Prokop said...

Oh, yes. The military is (or, at least, it was in the 90s) resolutely secularist. But in an Islamic country, that's a good thing, isn't it?

Can't speak for the people. In the city of Eski┼čehir, where I spent most of my time there, I noted that the Call to Prayer was largely ignored my most people. Now I realize that city was not representative of "Turkey" as a whole - its population is largely made up of people from former Ottoman possessions lost in the decline of that empire. So there are are a lot of Bulgarians, Bosnians, Crimean Tatars, Romanians, and even Greeks alongside ethnic Turks.

But Turkey is a gigantic country - larger than any European nation except maybe the Ukraine (I'm too lazy right now to look it up), so one's experience is bound to be parochial.

Hrodgar said...

I dunno. Secularism and Islam are both false religions, but at least Islam admits to being a religion. And secularism probably has a higher death toll, even ignoring the fact that secularism has done an awful lot to set the stage for Islam's current offensive. At best, Secularism v. Islam is just picking your poison.

Crude said...

Agreed, Hrodgar.