Saturday, July 23, 2016

The difference between the alt right and conservatives

Alt Right: I think there are bigger problems on the horizon than tending to the delicate social sensitivities of the left's most precious victim classes.

Conservatives: Being a conservative is first and foremost about keeping in mind the delicate social sensitivities of others, since maintaining the social order is paramount. What's the point of solving bigger problems if people think we're jerks in the process?

9 comments:

Mike said...

I would believe that's even a concern were it not for the fact that they don't even believe character matters when defending their favored target. But uhhh they guy you're defending from a massive trolling is himself an aggressive, bloviating provocateur who won't hesitate to run people's reputation through the mud to score a political point.

Squirrel!!!!!

Talon said...

Alt right: We're too busy talking about important issues on the internet to worry about character or polite society, unless the one talking trash is a progressive, then they're hypocritical, fatherless savages who don't share western values, cannot be reasoned with and shouldn't expect to be welcome in our neighborhood.

Inundating a person's Twitter account with racial slurs, sexist comments, doxxing, etc is either reasonable, or it isn't. If it isn't appropriate the culprits deserve criticism, it's a small battlefront but necessary to maintain a sense of trust and logical consistency. If you won't police your own when it takes so little effort, why should anyone believe you really care (or it really matters) when a progressive foe does something similar and you label them uncivilized? It would be less of an issue if the alt right wasn't eager to make a list of progressives who ignore manners and social niceties and club then them with it.

Crude said...

Talon,

We're too busy talking about important issues on the internet to worry about

I don't think the alt right gives any pretensions about being 'too busy talking about important issues on the internet'. They laugh and do a lot of shitposting, and they admit it. Intellectualism and high-minded essays are not their forte, and they don't fake otherwise - even when they do write articles or essays that make good points.

The alt-right is, however, explicitly tribal. Marco Rubio was Little Marco, until he endorsed Trump. Then he became Big Marco. They generally don't make unconditional appeals for fairness uber alles, largely because they know it's not happening. The schtick of 'we better police our own aggressively so as to be intellectually consistent, and thus we'll be able to morally demand that our opponents do the same and OH the SHAME they will feel when they don't!' is more a National Review conservative thing.

How's that working out?

Inundating a person's Twitter account with racial slurs, sexist comments, doxxing, etc is either reasonable, or it isn't. If it isn't appropriate the culprits deserve criticism,

Criticism is easy: 'They shouldn't do that.' The problem is the demand isn't for criticism - it's for grandstanding attacks, pillorying and purging. Of one's own enthusiastic, if at times idiotic, allies. SJW allies *literally shoot cops and cause riots* and there's no specific denunciations except of 'criminals'. Show as much footage of you like of BLM protesters cheering on cop killing. To them the real issue is that someone said 'all lives matter', how dare they, don't they know that's white supremacy?

But a, frankly, ugly, loudmouthed, and herself racist actress gets Harambe jokes and STOP THE PRESSES, YOU MUST DESTROY THESE PEOPLE?

No thanks. We'll leave it at 'that's bad' and that's it. The logic of 'It's totally acceptable to ban Milo for life because some people who follow him, of their own accord, tweeted racially insensitive jokes at someone' is inane.

It would be less of an issue if the alt right wasn't eager to make a list of progressives who ignore manners and social niceties and club then them with it.

'Manners and social niceties'? On what planet? In what alternate reality?

They take note of people saying stupid or unpopular shit and amplify it. They mock, they ridicule, they fan outrage. And, honestly, they are consistent: they are giving the same preferential treatment to their allies that their opponents give to theirs, and have always given to theirs. That willingness to fight fire is the one thing that may actually result in some kind of cultural armistice.

If you prefer unilateral cultural disarmament in order to obtain a faux moral high ground, then I believe National Review is looking for new writers, especially ones willing to work gratis.

Mike said...

They take note of people saying stupid or unpopular shit and amplify it. They mock, they ridicule, they fan outrage. And, honestly, they are consistent: they are giving the same preferential treatment to their allies that their opponents give to theirs, and have always given to theirs. That willingness to fight fire is the one thing that may actually result in some kind of cultural armistice.

Or like in the case of StarDock's CEO, they try to destroy his company, show up at his house and threaten his wife and kids. Or like Roosh when he was at his father's house and men kept trying to sneak in as utility repair technicians.

Or just the garden variety let's whip up a mob, make it go viral and destroy their career thing that the left loves to do.

Mike said...

They take note of people saying stupid or unpopular shit and amplify it.

Exhibit A: Donglegate. Feminist overhears two geeks joking able a dongle. Posts their picture on Twitter and gets a rage mob after them. One of them is a father of three and loses his job. It's only because enough people went after her employer that she got let go as well. People are still portraying Adria Richards (the feminist) as the victim despite the fact she:

1. Went public with a photo and quote.
2. Organized an Internet lynch mob.
3. Had so little empathy that an innocuous joke muttered where most people couldn't hear it was worthy of trying to at least throw them out of their conference.

Where is the outrage, Talon? This is hardly an anomaly. The reaction that has you riled up is the reaction to seeing this sort of thing become commonplace and people like you go "now now now, we can't be mean."

Crude said...

Mike,

Yeah. In the case of this actress, we're talking about a movie that was wall to wall with racist, sexist mockery of its critics, etc. I don't recall the actresses raising a huff about that, I don't recall any denouncing of the critics who praised their movie but who cast critics as 'misogynists', etc. No one batted an eye when she talked about white people getting on her nerves.

The conservative warcry to that is, 'We'll show them! We'll crucify our own for the slightest infractions! Won't our critics be ashamed when they see us doing THAT?'

Funny thing is Wardell's not even very alt-right. He likes Milo, he dislikes Trump. But he knows that these calls for 'fairness' and 'self-policing' are horseshit.

Mike said...

The one consistency is that they have higher expectations for the entire right than they do for even the moderate left. Like me being excoriated for even expressing mild schadenfreude at European SJWs being tore up in their beloved refugee camps (and saying maybe we should let them go to be a warning to others), but so far no such effort on all of the BLM folks glorifying the slaughter of innocent cops and urging more. On top of that, there is the whole matter of speech versus action that seems to be "your saying bad things is worse than their actually doing bad things."

Crude said...

The one consistency is that they have higher expectations for the entire right than they do for even the moderate left.

Modern conservatism is one long attempt to gain the approval of people who despise you at the expense of people most likely to befriend you.

Mike said...

As I used to say before being banned. Mistaken or self-aware, these are people who would throw you into a concentration camp if they had the stones to build one. I don't care what motivates them to that point. I care about the fact that they hate me that much for my beliefs and are impervious to change.