Tuesday, August 30, 2016

Why Lothar Lorraine is part of the problem

I don't like liberal Christians. Not exactly shocking to anyone who frequents this blog. I can name a handful of exceptions - Victor Reppert remains a man I hold in high esteem, whatever my disagreements with his politics. Bob Prokop, on a good day, is at least someone I can drop my guard with. But it's a short list, and even the list of 'conservatives' I like is forever getting smaller as I keep having to cross names off the list (see: #Nevertrumpers and their creepy globalist bible.)

Which brings me to Lothar Lorraine.

See, Lothar's a funny case - he was, really, the last left-wing Christian I was talking with (Reppert and Prokop aside) before I hit the brakes and decided that no, there is no possibility for peace and cooperation between our respective sides. Lothar will insist he's always been exceptionally polite to me, and I will admit that he has been. I breathed fire at his blog in the past - I've not been there for ages - and at his commenters. Granted, I was dealing with some shitty individuals, but I know that people like their regulars and don't appreciate it when someone like myself scares them off.

The point is, I won't say that Lothar's mistreated me personally. Which makes me seem rather rude for including him in the list of 'liberal Christians' I hold in contempt, right? Shouldn't I be seeking out common ground and trying to put our differences aside?

Here's half of the problem with Lothar, and with - really - liberal Christians as a rule. Their liberal politics are not opinions that they have. They are, instead, fundamental components of what amounts to religious law in a faith which is all-consuming, which knows no borders or bounds, and which they work to make all ultimately subject to.

So Lothar, despite not being a Catholic, will cheer on and encourage people to undermine my church, openly hoping for the day where the first lesbian bishop blesses a gay wedding for three women, one of whom made sure to get an abortion at the last minute to make sure she fit into her wedding dress. Every movement towards this is met with cheers by Lothar, because - ultimately - his religion demands it, because it is thoroughly a conquering religion, and its points of conquest are wholly political in nature. "Social justice", from shore to shore, regressive and twisted though it may be. Christ, by the way, is quite optional in this scheme. That's not an important component in this aspect of his religion. Atheists, even evangelical atheists, are allies on this scheme.

I am not going to call someone a friend or an acquaintance when they treat me personally, 'face to face', with civility, yet are unceasing in giving aid, comfort and encouragement to people openly trying to rob me of my culture and my faith. What can I say - it's a sticking point.

Now, despite this, I give credit where it's due. Lothar is no drone, and that sets him apart from other liberals. He will question liberal dogma, and many cannot. And for a while I drew encouragement from that. How can I not? It's fascinating.

Until I realized something. The second half of the problem, and the one which stopped me cold.

Lothar will (say) criticize Black Lives Matter. It's true, and that's remarkable. And he will face a torrent of left-wing hate for doing so. He will stand up against it. All good so far.

The problem is that when time comes to defend himself, people like myself turn out to be his shields.

In order to retain his liberal credentials, Lothar turns up the heat against Trump supporters - like yours truly. 'Hey,' he says, 'I'm still on your side! Look how I can condemn Trump supporters as racists who hate blacks and hispanics! He's a nazi! See? See? I'm still a good liberal - look how I take a verbal whip to these people we both hate!'

And then, Lothar will turn on a heel and come to people like me and expect sympathy. He stood up to BLM! He's convinced they're wrong now! Because, in part, of how they treat him. Can you believe they still went for his throat even -after- assuring them all that Trump supporters are motivated by the desire to string up blacks and gas all the latinos and declare white supremacy?

I suppose I should say, bravo for your bravery in trying to face the mob by expressing your contempt and resentment of... me and people like me.

Once again: kind of a sticking point.

Which is why, despite the politeness, I talk about how funny it's going to be once swaths of geography in France and Germany (hopefully, the liberal Christian and irreligious regions) no longer have 'mayors' as their heads but Qadis, and their resident feminists find themselves beaten into burqas. That sounds cruel, and it is cruel, but so is aiding and abetting the likes of George Soros and, yes, Obama and Clinton, as they try mightily to hollow out my religion and the religions of my peers and turn them into pagan temples to whatever Social Justice mental illness is all the rage. No, I don't want 'dialogue' over this shit anymore, which always turns out to be treated as the terms of my cultural surrender. No, I don't want to 'agree to disagree' and act friendly when someone openly aids, abets and provide moral encouragement to people who would see me starving to death for my beliefs, and robbed of any church to call my home.

That said, I hold out hope. Because at this rate Lothar is going to - belatedly - find himself turning into a full-blown nationalist and member of the Alt Right. At that point, perhaps, we'll finally be able to truly be within overlapping intellectual circles enough to warrant some sincere courtesy. But for now, I'm afraid I'm all out of the fake stuff.


B. Prokop said...

I am not a "liberal" Christian - nor am I a "conservative" one. I am a Catholic who believes the Magisterium is the final arbiter of Truth, who attends Mass several times a week, prays the Rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet daily, and the Divine Office each morning. I give away each month between 25 and 30 percent of my income to others. I support an entire family in Togo, and pay room, board, and tuition for a number of young girls in West Africa who otherwise would get no education whatsoever (and not through organized charity, but person to person - only one middleman, and I trust him 100%), and I spend time with the homeless here in Baltimore. I've concentrated my attention on a single person (Dennis) figuring I'd have a greater positive impact that way. I engage in "passive aggressive" street evangelization - i.e., I do not buttonhole people, but rather make myself visible when reading the Scriptures or other Catholic literature in public. I have as few possessions as possible (the sole exceptions being my astronomical gear, which in any case I regularly share with others) and my books. I live in a two-room apartment, which is 50% filled with toys and games for my grandchildren, whom I provide daycare for while their parents work. (And yes, I am participating in raising them Catholic - the gnus would probably accuse me of child abuse for that!)

Sorry to sound like St. Paul in 2nd Corinthians, but I felt the need to defend myself. If what I described above is what you consider "liberal Christianity" then so be it!

B. Prokop said...

By the way, you've never once commented on or about my own blog. Is what you see there what you would describe as "liberal Christianity"?

Crude said...

I put you aside for reasons, Bob. I've looked over your blog, it's not an activist blog from what I've seen. But you've also said that your approach to politics has changed. I consider you and Victor in the same boat, in that I believe both of you truly thought that the liberal culture was something other than it is, and are just now coming to grips with that. The culture is distinct from your politics, however strongly you feel about the latter.

So I'd estimate, anyway.