Thursday, June 3, 2021

The SSPX is why you have any latin mass at all

Odd thing to say out of the blue, but it feels necessary, especially in light of recent comments.

The only reason the latin mass still exists to this day is because a bishop and his priests defied the Vatican, which clearly hoped to completely wipe out the mass completely.

The FSSP only exists because the SSPX made it clear they would not go along with their own slow-burn extinction. They came into existence the precise moment Lefebvre made it nearly impossible to wait them out.

Even the FSSP was formed with the hope that the hunger for the latin mass - and indeed, anything actually Catholic - was a phase that could be waited out. That no longer looks like the case, and so Francis is being persuaded to act accordingly.

Now, here's something to ask yourself.

What if the fundamental position of the SSPX is correct? What if it extends not only to the latin mass, but to morals and teachings already established by the church?

What if more and more Catholics started to act accordingly, and when priests, bishops and cardinals demanded "loyalty" whenever attempts were made to undermine and harm these things, they were told off by not just the laity, but many of the clergy?


Nate Winchester said...

The social pathologist in... I think this post, maybe a few others:

Also talked about how the clerisy of the Church needed some kind of check in case they went off the rails. Like you, he reasoned that a sufficient revolt from the laity should be that check.

Crude said...

I'd say I'm suspicious of his apparent prescription -- a 'bottom up' church as opposed to a 'top down', since that's We Are Church's or whatever's mantra.

On the flipside, it's now apparent that leftist and heretical rot doesn't have a single vector. It's why whenever someone advocates for monarchy as the solution to our problems, I get skeptical. We have extant examples of bad monarchs who abet the rot or at least stand by and let it happen.

Catholics, and Christians generally, have the advantage of teaching and tradition at least. The best argument against Francis' "reform" of the death penalty isn't innovations in teaching, but the established teaching of the Church. The opposition to sodomy is biblical and Catholic, not some new idea hatched in conflict with the old ones.

For the matter, revolt against "legitimate" religious authority when it's weak and corrupt isn't new either. The New Testament is all about that.

Nice to see the sentiment spreading, either way.